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      VOA_Global_English_20200614_140000 | description |George Crawley| = Closed captions transcript: 00:00:04 This is v.o.a. News via remote I'm Diane Roberts u.s. 00:00:08 President Donald Trump told West Point's graduating class their job will be to 00:00:13 defend America's vital interests and not to fight endless wars in 00:00:17 a faraway land in his commencement address to the u.s. 00:00:20 Military Academy at West Point the president told more than 1000 graduating cadets 00:00:25 the job of the American soldier is not to rebuild foreign nations but to defend and 00:00:30 defend strongly the United States Mr Trump came to West Point at 00:00:34 a time of tension with u.s. 00:00:35 Military leaders over whether the military should be used to quell nationwide 00:00:39 protests over the killing of George Floyd he's an African American man who died in 00:00:44 police custody last month Floyd's death has led to protests around the world 00:00:48 calling for police reform and or racial equality protesters in New Orleans tore 00:00:54 down a bust of 00:00:55 a slave owner who left his wealth to build schools they then took what was left to 00:01:00 the Mississippi River and rolled it into the water Saturday's destruction is part 00:01:04 of 00:01:04 a nationwide movement to remove move monuments to the Confederacy or with links to 00:01:09 slavery the police did not identify the bust but local media said it was John 00:01:14 McDonogh upon his death McDonnell left 00:01:16 a large portion of his money to New Orleans and Baltimore for schools and many 00:01:21 schools in New Orleans are named after him. Google said Sunday it would explore why 00:01:27 the picture of Britain's World War 2 leader Winston Churchill disappeared from 00:01:31 a touch a top search results list of former u.k. 00:01:35 Prime ministers during controversy over his record on racism the search giant said 00:01:41 the photos removal from its horizontal list of top search results for former 00:01:45 British prime ministers was due to an automatic update and quote not purposeful 00:01:51 they apologized for any concern Britain still World War 2 prime minister has become 00:01:56 engulfed in controversy after 00:01:57 a black lives matter protest in Central London last weekend led to his statue being 00:02:03 defaced with the word racist this is the news the Atlanta Police Department 00:02:10 announced early Sunday 00:02:11 a police officer was fired and another was placed on administrative duty following 00:02:15 the fatal shooting of 00:02:16 a black man. Moves follow Saturday's resignation of Atlanta's police chief who 00:02:22 voluntarily stepped down authorities say Ray Sharpe Brooks failed 00:02:27 a field sobriety test and then resisted officers attempts to arrest him they add he 00:02:32 grabbed an officer's taser ran off and that's when the officer fired an estimated 3 00:02:36 shots Brooks's death sparked 00:02:38 a new wave of protests following turbulent demonstrations after the death of George 00:02:42 Floyd had simmer down worldwide more than 430000 people have died from covert 19 00:02:49 more than 115000 of them and the United States the number of confirmed factions 00:02:55 globally is more than 7800000 and in the u.s. 00:02:58 More than 2000000 confirmed cases Brazil now has the 2nd highest number of deaths 00:03:04 followed by Russia India and the u.k. 00:03:06 Brazil continues to have the 2nd highest number of infections China reported 57 new 00:03:12 cases of the coronavirus Sunday the highest daily figure since April as concerns 00:03:17 grew about a resurgence of the disease a new cluster has been linked to 00:03:21 a wholesale food market in South Beijing Chinese authorities have locked down 00:03:25 a lab in residential communities near the market trying to stem 00:03:28 a new outbreak of cope with 1000 Spain's prime minister Pedro Sanchez said Sunday 00:03:34 the country will open its borders to countries in the European Union's Shang an 00:03:38 area June 21st that's 10 days before previously announced one exception Portugal 00:03:44 where the border will open July 1st. Sunday Pope Francis urged international bodies 00:03:50 as well as political and military leaders to stop the violence in Libya the pope 00:03:55 also asked leaders to end the plight of migrants refugees and others track there he 00:04:00 urged the international community quote to provide them with the protection they 00:04:04 need a dignified condition and a future of hope and quote he spoke from 00:04:08 a window at his Vatican residence on St Peter's Square the leaders of Somalia and 00:04:13 breakaway state Somaliland are meeting for talks Sunday in 00:04:16 a renewed effort to mediate strained ties between the 2 Mogadishu said in 00:04:20 a statement the talks are taking place in Djibouti chair chaired by the country's 00:04:25 president while if the O.P.'s prime minister is also attending according to his 00:04:29 Twitter account the agenda has not been made public and police say Bollywood actor 00:04:34 Sushant Singh Rajput was found dead at his home in Mumbai Sunday morning when by 00:04:39 police believe the actor killed himself he was 34 years old if you'd like more on 00:04:45 any of these stories and of course the big news of the day please visit us at 00:04:50 v.o.a. News dot com or download our app viral Diane Roberts v.o.a. 00:04:55 News. 00:05:03 This is Encounter on Radio way here's Carol Castillo. Welcome to 00:05:10 Encounter on The Voice of America on this edition of the program in the wake of 00:05:15 widespread demonstrations across the United States against police violence and 00:05:19 racial injustice after George Floyd died in police custody the slogan defund the 00:05:24 police has been reverberating among protesters Hello again I'm Carol Castiel What 00:05:30 does defund the police really me how can we reimagine policing in America what 00:05:36 should police reform look like we will discuss the conditions in America that led 00:05:40 to the killing of George Floyd who died after I wite Minneapolis police officer who 00:05:45 has since been charged with 2nd degree murder pressed his knee into Floyd's neck 00:05:50 for almost 9 minutes until he could no longer breathe will Floyd's death do with 00:05:55 the killings of so many African Americans before him Eric Garner Michael Brown 00:06:01 Freddy gray Tamir Rice Walter Scott are Barry Briana Taylor Alton Sterling and 00:06:08 Philander did not could this moment be 00:06:11 a turning point for changing the culture of policing in America which analysts say 00:06:16 is permeated with racial bias and relies on the disproportionate use of deadly 00:06:22 force that is what many are hoping for the u.s. 00:06:25 Congress last week proposed sweeping police reform legislation called the Justice 00:06:31 and policing act of 2020 George Floyd's brother testified on Capitol Hill last week 00:06:37 just one day after his brother's funeral he told lawmakers that the killing of his 00:06:42 brother was quote 00:06:43 a modern day lynching in broad daylight and quote he implored members of Congress 00:06:48 to quote honor George and make the necessary changes to make law enforcement the 00:06:53 solution and not the problem and quote according to a v.o.a. 00:06:57 News web article by Ken breed of Meyer and Katherine Jepson the newly. Distillation 00:07:02 proposed by the majority Democrats and the House of Representatives quote seeks to 00:07:06 ban chokeholds and no knock warrants in drug cases at the federal level while 00:07:11 pressuring state and local governments to enact similar prohibitions by withholding 00:07:16 federal funding for police forces and quote the same report says that the 00:07:21 legislation would make it easier to hold police officers accountable for their 00:07:25 actions according to multiple news reports the bill would also establish 00:07:29 a national registry of police misconduct which would prevent 00:07:33 a reckless officer from getting hired at another police department it would also 00:07:37 limit the transfer of military grade equipment to state and local law enforcement 00:07:42 require federal uniformed police officers to wear body cameras and prohibit federal 00:07:48 state and law enforcement from using racial and religious profiling u.s. 00:07:53 President Donald Trump Meanwhile doubles down on 00:07:55 a Law and Order message he has called for police crackdowns on protesters and 00:08:00 expressed an interest in using the u.s. 00:08:02 Military to quell protests for which he received tremendous pushback from several 00:08:08 current and former senior military officials we will talk with our guests about the 00:08:13 possibility of adopting a so called guardian and not 00:08:17 a warrior models of policing Joining me to talk about the state of policing in 00:08:21 America in the wake of George Floyd's death are 2 distinguished analysts who join 00:08:26 me via Skype as we continue to social distance Reggie Miller is president of the 00:08:31 Nashville Tennessee chapter of the National Black Police Association The n b p 00:08:36 a is 00:08:37 a nationwide organization of African American police associations dedicated to the 00:08:42 promotion of justice fairness and effectiveness in law enforcement and Sam Fulwood 00:08:47 the 3rd He's 00:08:48 a senior fellow for politics and elections at the Center for American Progress 00:08:52 a liberal policy group here in Washington Sam is also the former director and 00:08:56 founder of American Progress is Leadership Institute and that's 00:09:00 a program that assists with. Vance min of people of color in public policy 00:09:04 a journalist by profession Sam was previously the national correspondent for The 00:09:09 Los Angeles Times where he contributed to the paper's Pulitzer Prize winning 00:09:13 coverage of the 1992 l.a. 00:09:16 Riots and Reggie Miller joins us from Nashville Tennessee Reggie Welcome to the 00:09:22 program well thank you I'm glad to be here Sam Fulwood the 3rd it's so great to 00:09:27 have you back on the show I'm happy to be back with you let me begin 1st with 00:09:32 Reggie Miller Reggie what do you think the protests which encompassed 00:09:36 a pretty multi racial and ethnic coalition augur for this moment are we at 00:09:41 a turning point that could perhaps catalyze much needed police reform across 00:09:45 America the answer to that would be yes in my book definitely what we have see is 00:09:51 definitely 00:09:51 a movement I think when we saw the Rodney King beating I think that people were 00:09:56 really really upset I think now with Joe which flow of everybody connected that 00:10:02 mothers fathers sisters brothers everybody could connect to that and so what we're 00:10:07 seeing and now is 00:10:08 a total sweep but total change I mean everybody is getting involved not just in 00:10:14 cities and states but all over the world this is truly a movement so yes 00:10:20 a change is definitely coming in and we're right here in the midst of it then 00:10:25 forward turning to you Do you see 00:10:27 a veritable movement in progress is this moment going to catalyze change in your 00:10:33 view meaningful change in America I think change is. I'm probably not quite as 00:10:40 sanguine about it as religion or 00:10:42 a whole lot well not contradicting what at all but I think because I have seen the 00:10:48 supposed movements for change burst into the scene garner 00:10:52 a great deal of attention and then die down once the news items change the 00:10:59 subject and so I would like. To see whether this is actually going to have the 00:11:05 lyrics that 00:11:05 a whole lot of progressive people would like for it to half the reason I'm somewhat 00:11:11 wary about being a little bit to you for this being 00:11:14 a really definitive moment is that the demands that people are making for change 00:11:19 would have to work through 00:11:20 a political system that is dysfunctional and unless we figure out 00:11:26 a way to make up politics we're the change maybe it's time and it may be creating 00:11:32 a latent form of anger only to go up another way one of the thing that like to say 00:11:38 about the change moment one of the things that really struck me about what has 00:11:43 happened in the past couple of weeks has been the universe ality of the anger and 00:11:48 outrage which we haven't really seen in this country before and that's giving lift 00:11:53 to people thinking that that's going to happen that changes on the precipice but I 00:11:57 think that we have been slowly building toward this moment because of demographic 00:12:03 changes taking place in the planet and I think this is kind of and you ruction the 00:12:09 fact that the country is rapidly becoming less white male dominated and more 00:12:14 diverse and people that you see in the streets over the past couple of weeks in all 00:12:19 the major cities around the world with that the fact that the world is changing 00:12:24 from being one where western white male them has been the dominant force of what's 00:12:29 going on that's 00:12:30 a very interesting point and on that point Sam Monmouth poll released in early 00:12:37 June conducted in the days after Floyd's killings showed for the 1st time that 00:12:41 a majority of Americans 57 percent and 00:12:44 a plurality of whites believe police are more likely to use excessive force against 00:12:49 African Americans and some say this really does represent 00:12:52 a tectonic shift in public opinion and you mentioned also the demographics of the 00:12:56 protesters 00:12:57 a broad coalition so let's see but let me go back to office. Miller Reggie Miller 00:13:03 let's go back to you policing in America there has been accusations of systemic 00:13:08 racism how pervasive is racism in u.s. 00:13:11 Policing some say oh it's just 00:13:13 a few bad apples others say it's kind of rotten to the who or it's more like 00:13:18 a bushel of apples and a diseased tree and I know that you yourself had 00:13:22 a personal experience that you might want to share with us what your view I would 00:13:26 definitely say that is in 00:13:28 a lot of the cases is definitely more than just the few bad apples sometimes it is 00:13:33 right into the core and I think that is why people are talking about 00:13:38 a total reform totally broken down police department trying to get it to 00:13:43 reestablish itself on 00:13:45 a totally different process that has been for the last hundreds of years and yes I 00:13:51 can speak to that personally because back in 1992 when I was working on the cover I 00:13:57 got pulled over for an expired tag that the department had given me 00:14:01 a vehicle to drive in there it had expired tags on it which I did know I got pulled 00:14:06 over by some of the same guys that was in my role call room that day and from there 00:14:12 I got poured over there 5 guy on this traffic stop on expired tags and I got poor 00:14:19 out of gunpoint I gad you know I got need in the bag I got my eyes gouged I got 00:14:25 kicked in the growing and so I pursued this brutality of course we were only 00:14:31 a 10 percent blacks on a police department so now became 00:14:35 a separation of blacks and whites cause the blacks of 40 that you know me stand in 00:14:40 the standard now which I wasn't supposed to do because it's this thing in blue line 00:14:45 you supposed to take 00:14:47 a couple days off in the patch on the back and just say hey you know come back man 00:14:51 we sorry I wasn't letting that happen I was bringing that out there police 00:14:56 brutality does happen and the only thing that gives that a little t. 00:14:59 Was the fact that I was 00:15:01 a police. So I always say that that would have been my neck or my cousin they were 00:15:06 in the big police and the police would have see if you persist if he did this he 00:15:10 did that and he went ahead and credibility on this they want to toward out his 00:15:15 credibility and his case probably would not went anywhere at the end up so with the 00:15:21 department to read years to do it but I stayed the course and so every since the 00:15:27 end I have been on that mission to bring awareness to police brutality and to 00:15:32 reform then it needs to have 00:15:34 a lot of these police departments on Randolph Weiss you know 00:15:37 a lot of the crimes all some crimes a lot of modern done. And they handle 00:15:42 a good project if not by the stamp in the lieutenants and the captains who are why 00:15:49 they get taken care of by the police union so like nothing really happened so in 00:15:54 that case of those 5 officers 2 of them got on 00:15:57 a mediately But as you would know what they have Ventura got their job back and 00:16:02 then eventually got back so the result was what happened to them really nothing 00:16:08 really happened to well that's very interesting and here we are so many years later 00:16:11 2020 and we're seeing similar conduct many people are saying you know police 00:16:16 administrators have to hold officers accountable not only when they abuse other 00:16:21 officers like yourself but particularly when they mistreated violate people's 00:16:25 rights and I think it's an interesting juxtaposition when just recently as we are 00:16:30 all sheltering in place because of 00:16:32 a covert epidemic you may recall in Michigan white men were armed or standing on 00:16:37 government buildings protesting their civil rights and nothing really happened to 00:16:42 them so it's an interesting juxtaposition You're listening to Encounter on The 00:16:46 Voice of America our guests are Reggie Miller president of the Nashville Tennessee 00:16:50 chapter of the National Black Police Association and Sam full with the 3rd senior 00:16:55 fellow for politics in elections at the Center for American Progress we're 00:16:59 discussing proposals for police reform in. America after widespread demonstrations 00:17:04 against police brutality and racism this is 00:17:07 a reminder that our encounter podcast is available on our website at the News dot 00:17:12 com slash encounter You may also follow us on Twitter at Carol Katz the work 00:17:17 connect with us on Facebook Well here's 00:17:19 a big shout out to Del sin Jonah Joss Nigeria Well thanks Dallas and if you want to 00:17:25 hear your name and home country on the air send an e mail to encounter at v.o.a. 00:17:29 News dot com or like us and leave 00:17:31 a comment on our Facebook page back to our program and let me turn to you Sam 00:17:37 Fulwood because you're the one who brought up you know your sense of skepticism 00:17:41 about if anything can actually be done these of the legislation on on offer we have 00:17:46 rather does angst the political system we're also in an election year what's your 00:17:51 reaction to oppose the proposed legislation and how confident are you that if you 00:17:55 can pass and be enforced at the local level I think that if anything can happen it 00:18:01 will happen at the local level we have already seen in the past week or so that the 00:18:07 Minneapolis Police Department has taken very seriously efforts to reform its police 00:18:12 department I'm skeptical of using the term disbanding or polishing or defunding 00:18:18 because those tend to be loaded terms that in 00:18:21 a practical will Politics Lead are you know practical there will be police in 00:18:26 America we have to have that but what that policing look like I think we're in the 00:18:31 midst of 00:18:32 a great political discussions and debate about it the thing that I think is really 00:18:36 important to bear in mind and I go back to the demographic change that I'm not an 00:18:41 advocate of the market being invested in but I do believe that America is changing 00:18:47 it's more raised. Its economic systems all of those things are in looks at the 00:18:54 moment and I think 00:18:55 a great deal of our political conversations with black the fact that we're warping 00:19:01 . Into uncharted territory historically 00:19:04 a small number of Americans disproportionately white and male were the ones who 00:19:10 were able to define what America was all about when America was created only landed 00:19:16 white men could both could participate in the running of the so called democracy 00:19:21 well that notion has radically changed and it has been building over the last 50 00:19:27 years as different peoples in America have ascended to saying we want to have 00:19:33 a say and how the country is going to be run historically those decisions were made 00:19:38 at the local and state level not necessarily get federal level but the federal 00:19:43 level has to step in whenever things seem to bog down the civil rights movement is 00:19:48 a classic example of that so what we have now is 00:19:52 a moment we and in local community many of them disproportionately African American 00:19:59 or Latino or in some cases Native American saying we want to make decisions about 00:20:06 how we govern our community and that is at the present in opposition to what's 00:20:12 coming out of the federal government and so there is 00:20:15 a tension there and I think what we have seen in the cities as 00:20:19 a result of George blowups murder is that tension will they be able to pass 00:20:26 laws change mores and customs I don't know and I'm not saying it won't happen but I 00:20:32 am not absolutely certain that it will one of the also that that I think is really 00:20:37 really important in this is culture and we're in the midst of culture change as 00:20:41 evidence just this past week when Nascar said that it was no longer going to fly 00:20:46 the Confederate flag that's 00:20:48 a sign that this movement if you will is affecting the way in which culture is 00:20:53 being defined and then politics follows culture well back to you Reggie Miller I 00:20:59 just want to add to what. Said You know I'm here in Washington d.c. 00:21:04 In the maelstrom of what's going on I went to Lafayette Park I saw the black lives 00:21:09 plaza we are seeing the demographics we're seeing a coalition 00:21:14 a lot of talk Asians young people advocating for. Change for profound change so 00:21:21 it's really quite think courage but let me ask you about this all in the fun police 00:21:28 it's 00:21:28 a slogan we can fairly add Sansa take it literally we always need sleeth But what 00:21:33 about the idea of defecting to other areas what's your view of rerouting fund be 00:21:39 directing the social service health care education because when these things down 00:21:45 crime often occur and then the police are called to fix 00:21:49 a problem and so the police discredit you know they just can't solve all these 00:21:53 problems What's your view of maybe redirecting. It to these other areas they could 00:21:59 prevent 00:21:59 a lot of crime and the use of Elise 1st let me say that I agree with some of the 00:22:05 things that Sam brought up and there are some very good points I am very optimistic 00:22:10 because I've been in Despite for so long and like you said it does start and but 00:22:16 because the fear is that we can right now it's rooted in 00:22:20 a long history about racist police and balance and any quality and blacks of 00:22:27 this great police black police make up about 20 percent of their lives but 00:22:33 only 00:22:34 a percent of the population and when we try to get data on these think the 00:22:40 data has not caught sometimes the police about the data and when we find out it is 00:22:46 . Unreliable sometimes they complete and so there's not 00:22:53 about countability and that's 00:22:56 a love the have to talk about to accountability and transparency are big. That this 00:23:02 was going to hold police officers to make sure that they are doing what they're 00:23:06 supposed to do that holds in the park accountable and when you don't hold the cap 00:23:11 or when you give into these funds that we're going to talk about funding in the 00:23:16 police or transfer money I'm not going to police the partners because I think that 00:23:22 would cause 00:23:22 a whole new area of problems and issues I do think that what you do is manage 00:23:29 the money where they go and what if we're going to directly give me 00:23:35 $200000.00 00:23:37 a strictly training if that training is desensitizing or some type of 00:23:43 training by the police department that is going to be community based that will 00:23:48 help change the police culture and if we're down directing those funds to the 00:23:54 community based things where the department can only use this money but certain 00:24:01 things and this is what they're getting I think that that would be 00:24:05 a good start and Sam would probably agree that this is not going to be something 00:24:10 this really going to change overnight but trying to reduces racial by us if we 00:24:17 don't like the escalation of these 00:24:20 a where you're sitting at your phones to your pipes or trying to like this thing in 00:24:23 the park past one choice they're mandated to sit in the sun in these terrorists 00:24:29 acne that would be 00:24:30 a start then we look at changes and where those changes to the and restructure the 00:24:35 public departments Yes we can't but I'm glad for this man and one politician police 00:24:41 are very good I want to ask you some rapid fire questions as 00:24:45 a police officer Reggie Miller for example 00:24:47 a couple of the things in the legislation would you be in favor of like 00:24:50 a national registry of police conduct limiting the transfer of military grade. 00:24:56 State local law enforcement 00:24:58 a mandated use of body cameras or. Does some of the things that you think could go 00:25:03 a long way and also diversifying to please sports I do I'm going to buy 00:25:07 a camera smasher in Tennessee we've been working on 00:25:09 a biochemist on the last 2 years the police did not want to buy the cameras I came 00:25:14 out strongly and say that we need mining camps because most of the good offices in 00:25:19 which probably most of them are they're not worried about the chemicals they 00:25:23 actually want to write in those bad apples or you might find out that you have 00:25:28 a bigger problem than you think condom cases against police officers I think that's 00:25:33 part of want to buy issues because I know that like Derek Shaaban he had like 7080 00:25:39 from fights but there is no reason that that police department should start 00:25:44 tracking history after to excessive force because that allows you describe track in 00:25:49 that office was used and if you let them get it in that department now that's about 00:25:53 it it's just a lot of different reforms that 00:25:56 a police department has to take to show that they are going to be accountable for 00:26:01 their police officers Sam I'd like to get your take on this concept of community 00:26:05 policing this if it were part of the we just mentioned in an on show called 00:26:09 registries of police who have engaged in misconduct if these things can make 00:26:14 a difference in your view and I'd like also for you to comment on the power of 00:26:18 police union what is their purpose and to what extent might they pose 00:26:23 a new pediment going forward I think the reforms that you talked about you know 00:26:27 a lot of people look good and necessary to have those conversations and I am very 00:26:34 optimistic something will come positive out of the conversations about police or 00:26:39 body cameras and national registry banning chokeholds community policing to make 00:26:45 policing more service oriented rather than in or Smith oriented changing the 00:26:50 culture of what policing is all about all of those things are really really with 00:26:55 regard to union didn't ization of 00:26:58 a loosening of all the unions I think police have been. Most of torment police 00:27:03 unions have been the most of order to the publicity of what unions are about I've 00:27:09 yet the point about worker rights protecting and benefit those who have the things 00:27:15 that yet but I don't get how the unions have allowed themselves to be an instrument 00:27:21 or attacking the citizen be that the police oppose the protecting and certain to be 00:27:27 able to hide malfeasance on our of an individual member I don't think that's what 00:27:33 unionism is all about and yeah and I think that in many ways maybe it was 00:27:37 a little of not that's what the illusion you see to be doing and I think that that 00:27:42 has been saying go back to you for the last word Reggie Miller to talk about the 00:27:46 power of police unions and the police officer what's your take and to what extent 00:27:51 are African Americans part of them or they excluded then to what extent you think 00:27:55 they might be an impediment as opposed to 00:27:59 a force for good and reform our name and the history of racism 00:28:06 and brutality and being able to see it and when this is over years New Years years 00:28:12 Adam think that the Besley black police officers are blind to rid I don't think 00:28:18 that they're going to impede any of the progress of that but I actually think it is 00:28:23 that and what I'm seeing is more white police officers are coming on board to stand 00:28:29 up for what is right and things that we never secure officers that are found out of 00:28:34 the Paternal Order of Police like fop members I 95 percent white so there's not 00:28:41 a lot of black but even the black men just are supposed to be protected but when 00:28:46 something happens there's 00:28:48 a problem with in their protection that I have or absent that the white officers 00:28:53 groups are starting to stand up and they're starting to stand side. And I think if 00:28:59 they don't when they to not stand up with ha. It's that they've never been and 00:29:04 that's and that it happened years ago and 00:29:07 a lot of cases as well gentlemen we're going to end on that rather. Optimistic note 00:29:13 that is all the time we have on this edition of encounter I'd like to thank my 00:29:16 guests ready Miller he's president of the Nashville Tennessee chapter of the 00:29:20 National Black Police Association and Sam Fulwood the 3rd senior fellow for 00:29:24 politics and election at the Center for American Progress thank you Carol they're 00:29:29 talking with Richard thank you Carol and I thank you Sam and I as always 00:29:32 a pleasure and let's not make this the last time encounter was produced in 00:29:37 Washington with technical assistance from Rick tend to lay out I'm Carol Katz to 00:29:42 join you again next week for another encounter on the Voice of America. 00:30:04 This week loud but most peaceful protesters marched in towns and cities across the 00:30:09 United States against police brutality and racial inequality militarize units 00:30:14 withdraw from the streets leaving barricades around the White House mourners paying 00:30:19 tribute to George Floyd the black man who died at least custody thousands 00:30:23 protesting the visit of the pandemic will acknowledge the number of growing the 00:30:27 virus cases to run on month protests in the age of 90. 00:30:37 Hello welcome to plugged in I'm gratified ancestor reporting from my home in 00:30:41 Washington d.c. 00:30:43 It has been a painful and difficult 2 weeks for America following the death of 00:30:47 a handcuffed black man whose neck was pinned to the ground by the knee of 00:30:51 a police officer who ignored his plea that he could not breathe it was all captured 00:30:56 on video 46 year old George Floyd was remembered as 00:31:01 a gentle giant at memorial services in Houston Texas where he had lived in 00:31:05 Minneapolis Minnesota where he had died. In the small town of Rayford North 00:31:10 Carolina where Floyd was born the county sheriff acknowledged that law enforcement 00:31:16 is part of the problem pleading to not lead George Floyd die in vain. Protest 00:31:21 Against Police Brutality in mistreatment of African Americans and other minorities 00:31:25 continue across the United States but most without the violence we saw earlier most 00:31:32 military units activated to try to stop looting and vandalism have been recalled to 00:31:36 their bases prominent Americans such as former presidential candidate and current 00:31:41 u.s. 00:31:42 Senator Mitt Romney and prominent American institutions such as the National Football 00:31:47 League are now saying the phrase black lives matter all this during 00:31:53 a pandemic with concerns that the protests with these gatherings of thousands 00:31:57 together in close proximity will ignite 00:32:00 a new wave of corona virus and let's not forget the pandemic has led to an economic 00:32:05 meltdown and all this during 00:32:08 a Us presidential election year we begin our coverage with v.o.a. 00:32:13 White House correspondent Patsey way to. 00:32:20 Video of 00:32:21 a 75 year old man shoved by police in Buffalo New York went viral last week the 2 00:32:26 officers involved have been charged with 2nd degree assault but President Donald 00:32:31 Trump reignited the controversy choose day tweeting a video by 00:32:34 a right wing outlet presenting an unproven conspiracy theory that the man was 00:32:39 trying to block police communication equipment Trump accused him of being an t.v. 00:32:43 a Provocateur saying he fell harder than was pushed was. 00:32:51 Trump's tweet is the latest of 00:32:52 a series of remarks that have anger and racial division in 00:32:56 a nation shaken with more than 2 weeks of unrest over the death of George Crawley 00:33:00 a black man who died after being in the custody of 00:33:03 a white police officer this is not 00:33:05 a president who is capable of looking at turmoil in the country and trying to find 00:33:12 ways to heal wounds and bring people more broadly together. His success as he has 00:33:18 seen it is build on attacking you've been more harshly anybody who's critical of 00:33:24 him and at trying to stoke divisions and excite narrower 00:33:31 base 00:33:31 a base that maybe getting even more narrow recent poll shows 76 percent of Americans 00:33:38 including 71 percent of whites call racism and discrimination 00:33:42 a big problem in the u.s. 00:33:44 Compared to 50 percent in 2015 00:33:46 a lot of white Americans are waking up to the reality that they were part of the 00:33:51 system that maybe privilege them but that's. Pretty horrible implications for our 00:33:57 social justice and for everyone else 00:34:00 a survey also shows that 78 percent of Americans support the protests and 57 00:34:05 percent believe police officers are more likely to treat black people unfairly this 00:34:10 shift in attitudes has contributed to change on the ground some mayors have agreed 00:34:15 to redirect police funds toward social services an idea perceived as radical just 00:34:20 a few years ago but meeting with law enforcement officials Monday Trump rejected 00:34:25 calls to disband the police and the notion of institutionalized racism in law 00:34:29 enforcement sometimes you see some horrible things like we would play but 99 I say 00:34:36 99.9 But let's go with 99 percent of them are great great people the White House 00:34:42 press secretary says Travis combating racism by ensuring economic opportunity for 00:34:47 black Americans and pushing for criminal justice reform the president has spoken to 00:34:52 George Floyd's family on the phone but has not met with black community 00:34:55 representatives are protesters his election rival Joe Biden has met with Floyd's 00:35:00 family and black leaders while polls show Americans view Biden as more empathetic 00:35:05 than trump the Democratic presidential nominee has his own challenges he's going to 00:35:09 have to walk 00:35:10 a fine line yet support as he has in the past. Enforcement officials 00:35:17 while also making the strong call for dramatic transformation in how we deal with 00:35:25 and police violence in the country Biden has announced Friday and also rejected 00:35:29 calls to defund the police he is focusing on police or forums and has pledged 00:35:34 action to reverse systemic racism at. A News Washington. 00:35:42 A private ceremony with hundreds of people inside the Houston church. And many more 00:35:49 along the route to the cemetery. The funeral service was broadcast on all major 00:35:55 u.s. 00:35:55 Networks the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee joined via video we cannot 00:36:02 leave this moment thinking we can once again turn away from racism stains and our 00:36:08 very souls Houston police officers saluted as the casket entered the church 4 00:36:15 officers in Minneapolis face charges in Floyd's death one of them charged with 00:36:20 murder. And people know they will go to jail 00:36:27 they called Keep doing it because they protected by wickedness it happened I see. 00:36:34 A Houston police official called this 00:36:36 a watershed moment and I really believe that there's 00:36:40 a great. Hope here in this city and that hope is ready nationwide 00:36:46 this was the 3rd memorial in states where George forward had lived in Minnesota 00:36:52 North Carolina and Texas Monday thousands came for 00:36:56 a public viewing of the body in Houston Tuesday his family grieved. 00:37:04 Justice for my brother. Big Brother everybody going to remember him and grapple 00:37:11 with questions raised by his death Miko Saul of unveil 00:37:15 a new Los Angeles Democrats in Congress are introducing legislation they say will 00:37:21 reform law enforcement and provide more accountability of police James Craig has 00:37:26 been 00:37:26 a police officer for more than 40 years he is now the police chief for the large Us 00:37:31 city of Detroit his home town we talked about what his officers faced during 00:37:36 Detroit's protests and how to prevent another death like George Floyd's Fortunately 00:37:42 here in Troy on the 1st night some bias but nothing close to what we saw in other 00:37:48 cities like Philadelphia and New York Los Angeles where there was looting 00:37:55 buildings were being burned and certainly attacks on police officers the extent of 00:38:01 our By That's was the looting the only property damage was to several of our place 00:38:07 vehicles and there were several attacks on our selves and you can different 00:38:12 projectiles but that was the extent of it in response to what happened Minneapolis 00:38:17 to Minneapolis the city council has now voted to dismantle the Minnesota the 00:38:23 Minneapolis Police Department what do you think about that or wide area 00:38:28 a knee jerk reaction as I've said to many of colleagues doing different interviews 00:38:34 I mean what's the plan now I don't know enough about what the lation ship 00:38:41 of the Minneapolis Police Department was prior to. The horrible death of Mr Floyd 00:38:48 and one could surmise that maybe it wasn't a good morning and maybe has 00:38:54 a need to structurally. Change the police department and so 00:39:01 that's possible and I certainly support it leadership it's failed management it's 00:39:06 failed culturally the apartment hasn't properly served its residents and yes it 00:39:13 should be revamped or structured but you just simply say we're going to dismantle 00:39:20 them what's your plan city are you going to replace it with sheriff's department 00:39:25 and if so the share the problem is adequate and effective to engage in the kind of 00:39:30 policing that you want to see and they apples all the questions that need to be 00:39:35 answered but just to have 00:39:36 a knee jerk reaction. To this situation and maybe fire situation without 00:39:43 a plan. Is really fruitless I mean what do you hope to accomplish we turn to 00:39:49 another issue about police equipment in the last 10 or so years when we have these 00:39:55 when we have protests or even looting is that we see some of the place equipment 00:40:00 looks pretty militaristic is is that 00:40:02 a bad visual or does that protect the police and we overdoing it is there 00:40:07 a way to measure that. It absolutely is designed to protect the police we're not 00:40:12 the military or peace officers we are the community we work or the community and 00:40:19 while some may argue that this image of arming the OK's. Certain sense of wrong 00:40:26 message I would offer that. Here in Detroit. We deal with armed suspects and 00:40:33 sometimes going to critical incident those armed suspects a barricade it. Into 00:40:37 a location and the most effective way to approach that situation certainly reducing 00:40:43 harm to 00:40:43 a public reducing home to officers if you have an armored style be able to 00:40:50 the protesters on the street have 00:40:52 a legitimate beef do indeed to ensure no reform of policing in this country we 00:40:58 embrace the message certainly. I along with the men and women in short police 00:41:04 department but again not least the problems that created saying you can't just do 00:41:09 a broad brush you know I'm maintaining that it should happen is fine police 00:41:15 departments are doing it right but there are some problems that are in need in the 00:41:21 form and restructure and so maybe there should be 00:41:25 a uniform that option it's 00:41:28 a use of force standard many of the problems that have come about oversight already 00:41:34 have about those kind of standards so maybe that's the answer. But the problem that 00:41:41 I'd like to Ciro innocent how do we have how do we prevent the incident from even 00:41:46 occurring because if you take the instance of Mr Floyd in Minneapolis is that 00:41:50 accountability for the officers is important but you know that they will be tried 00:41:54 and and and 00:41:55 a jury will decide it but Mr Floyd is dead I mean what can what steps could have 00:41:59 been taken or should have been taken so that we don't have more Mr Floyd's Well 1st 00:42:04 and foremost I'm 00:42:05 a strong believer in strong leadership good. Ship leadership that understands 00:42:11 accountability is the real key to put 00:42:13 a lot of focus on police officers as you prefer the bad apples go out and gauge 00:42:20 and at times criminal misconduct The key is what has the department's response man 00:42:25 . And unfortunately there are 00:42:28 a lot of the partners that Monday I'm covered from alone on the part of 00:42:32 a police officer there's 00:42:34 a delay in responding so the community is watching this and I was very vocal in 00:42:40 public early on while I applaud it chief of police and America quickly firing 00:42:46 before involved officer what was missing was a decision to do 00:42:51 a police departments do each and every day and that's make an immediate arrest and 00:42:56 we make that immediate based on probable cause so there's probable cause to believe 00:43:02 that 00:43:03 a crime was committed in this case murder then you have the authority to make the 00:43:08 arrest we recognize it as law enforcement officers that we don't make the decisions 00:43:13 of what individual would be charged with Clearly we have the authority to arrest 00:43:19 and we don't grant you that evidence based on probable cause and certainly 00:43:26 since the community that want 00:43:29 a message and the message has been sent is we treat police officers different 00:43:34 because that was a community member same circumstances and also conducted 00:43:39 a plumber investigation they would know there's enough information here that I can 00:43:44 make a law for arrests and then the prosecutors again later make 00:43:49 a decision on what individual if it that individual charge. Is this racism I mean I 00:43:55 mean I mean people are protesting saying that this is and this is racism against 00:44:00 the African American by police in this country well unfortunately we've had too 00:44:05 many answer dense where police officers of kill mainly African American man and 00:44:11 some time women and this came at the hands of plates and mostly white balloons that 00:44:18 mean that white police officers across this country are inherently and racist 00:44:22 Absolutely not. The men and women. 'd police officers who will call Cajun 00:44:29 here do a fine job summit maybe ultimate sacrifice so you can paint 00:44:35 a police department. One race is 00:44:38 a broad brush the key is to deal with individual incidents swiftly and in 00:44:44 a transparent way and if you have systemic racism in your department where 00:44:50 African Americans are being targeted and there's excessive force then one can argue 00:44:56 it can argue very clearly there's 00:44:58 a pattern and it seems to me that as white police officers taking the lives or 00:45:04 gauging an excessive force against African Americans and so one size doesn't fit 00:45:10 all we have to look at each situation very critically. The president 00:45:17 blames them were violent aspects of the massive protests and terrorist attacks. Who 00:45:23 are these so called terrorists and are outside groups taking advantage of the 00:45:27 unrest to further destabilize the United States we spoke with Michael Chertoff 00:45:33 former secretary of Homeland Security he is also co chair of 00:45:36 a new task force that's preparing Washington for the post covert era 1st of all are 00:45:42 are we not at all be surprised to learn that Russia and China are 00:45:48 using social media to exacerbate the tension and promote the violence and are we if 00:45:55 we go back 00:45:56 a couple of years it's clear the Russians made efforts to ferment anger 00:46:03 between black lives matter and police approached restriction in order to secure 00:46:09 environments now the Chinese are dealing with 00:46:11 a challenging. Issue in Han Khan where they the Chinese government is now 00:46:18 really for the 1st time period 80 the original of this to live Hong Kong and having 00:46:24 some system that is attempting to clamp down on the protesters and freedoms in Hong 00:46:29 Kong and they're rightfully be criticized so this is like 00:46:33 a gift to you as you hinted because he gets to say oh look what we're doing is no 00:46:39 different from the United States then and it's 00:46:42 a shame that our moral authority gets compromised by we're 00:46:48 a policeman there's in Minneapolis so that the Chinese can use this as an excuse to 00:46:53 do the same thing and harm comes the massive demonstrations have become 00:46:57 a contest between social justice and social distancing many health professionals 00:47:02 are fearful that these nationwide protests may be creating more and larger clusters 00:47:07 of Corona virus infections as states are beginning to reopen their economies Vo is 00:47:13 Cain fair boss spoke with medical experts in Illinois where civil unrest has forced 00:47:17 some testing sites to close. 00:47:25 As he watched unrest unfold across the United States under lockdown from his home 00:47:30 office in Chicago the director of Northwestern University's Institute for Global 00:47:34 Health Dr Robert Murphy began to wonder if everyone had suddenly forgotten the 00:47:40 country was dealing with 00:47:41 a dangerous pandemic Bobet doesn't hear that it just likes to jump from person to 00:47:46 person so you're putting yourself at risk it was 00:47:49 a message Chicago's mayor Laurie Lightfoot echoed in her daily address to the 00:47:53 public on the same day she moved ahead with plans to loosen restrictions in the 00:47:56 city and place since March to prevent the spread of the corona virus despite 00:48:01 continuing unrest that risk is real it is present and will be with us for the 00:48:06 forseeable future. And you need to take the precautions not only just to protect 00:48:12 yourself but for others in your network in your hall that you care about his now 00:48:19 you are at high risk of killing 90 was just setting us back so instead 00:48:26 of being able to control of our. Whole now it's either going to plateau maybe. 00:48:33 Whatever it is it's pushing us way down that the risk of increasing violence and 00:48:38 destruction led the Illinois Department of Public Health to temporarily close 00:48:42 community cover $1000.00 testing facilities delaying notifications of positive test 00:48:47 results and interrupting the medical communities ability to track the viruses 00:48:51 spread. Because we're not just to many people if. You can't even get anywhere near 00:48:58 . You know just there's flare ups all around the city so you know 00:49:06 if yours is stable now more than ever when the gathering subside Rush University 00:49:11 associate professor of medicine and infectious disease Dr Michael Flynn says 00:49:16 testing will likely return to pre processed levels if not increase in understanding 00:49:21 how the recent unrest in the u.s. 00:49:22 Will impact the spread of the virus won't be immediate if there's any spike it may 00:49:27 have been some time about 00:49:29 a week or 2 weeks after the gatherings and that's usually about the time it takes 00:49:32 for the action that the bait manifests in towns and become severe or not so that 00:49:37 people end up meaning ospital care but Dr Lynn offers 00:49:40 a glimmer of hope that virus spread might be limited among protesters because they 00:49:45 know that 00:49:45 a lot of spread tends to happen in indoor areas where this portion Aleisha in the 00:49:50 outdoors where they employ around there may be less risk of spread with the sun 00:49:55 being out you know u.v. 00:49:56 Rays can actually also kill the virus but when it comes to transmission it's really 00:50:02 difficult to predict video of demonstrations show widespread but not universal use 00:50:07 of masks. Can limit the expulsion of germs in the air so it's only words that 00:50:11 everybody is worried as the number of Corona virus infections in the u.s. 00:50:15 Nears 2000000 some Americans are weighing health risks while exercising their right 00:50:21 to demonstrate Meanwhile polling data continue to show clear majority as you 00:50:25 curbing coded 19 as 00:50:27 a priority came from Bob Vila News Chicago Illinois as demonstrators take to the 00:50:33 streets health officials say the number of Kobe 1000 cases are inching closer to 00:50:38 2000000 in the United States experts are now targeting more resources to minority 00:50:43 communities where the virus has hit particularly hard I spoke with Dr Lena when 00:50:49 she's an emergency physician and former health commissioner for the city of 00:50:52 Baltimore near Washington d.c. 00:50:54 To learn more about the impact of the protests on the pandemic and efforts to fight 00:50:58 it what's common affections disease standpoint of course whenever there are mass 00:51:03 gatherings and the virus doesn't care why these mass gatherings are occurring 00:51:08 whether it's 00:51:08 a protest for social justice or Iraq concerts when people are gathering we there is 00:51:13 going to be person to person transmission and this is also happening at the same 00:51:18 time as all 50 states are opening to some degree so we are already seen as 00:51:23 a result of reopening and I think people letting down their guard that there has 00:51:27 been a surge in cases in 20 states and unfortunately and this is 00:51:32 a trend that is almost certain to continue and I think it's 00:51:36 a reminder to all of us that we can all let down our guard just because states are 00:51:41 reopening doesn't mean that the virus has changed in any way Actually it's just as 00:51:45 contagious it's just as deadly and could cause of your illness into some criticism 00:51:50 from some because churches in many parts the country can't open because you can't 00:51:55 congregate more than 10 people in 00:51:56 a place yet the protests are allowed to happen I assume that the same rules that 00:52:01 you the plight of protests would apply to you know group of people in the church in 00:52:05 terms of safety. You know one thing that reduces the likelihood of transmission in 00:52:11 these protests is that they are outdoors and there is the possibility and I've seen 00:52:16 footage of many of these protests but it looks like people are able to social just 00:52:21 now of course there are other confounding factors including if protesters are 00:52:26 arrested and then put into a confined space for a period of time that's certainly 00:52:30 a concern and I also have 00:52:31 a concern that we don't have nearly the testing that we need and so when I hear 00:52:36 officials saying things like all protestors should be tested sure that would be 00:52:40 nice that that could happen but I don't know that we have nearly the capabilities 00:52:44 across the country to do that but testing would have to be before your protest not 00:52:49 after because if it's after you've already theoretically is passed to somebody. 00:52:57 Well I think it should be after 00:53:00 a really 2 because right now we don't have the widespread testing that we need to 00:53:05 be able to test everyone before they go and protest after the protest which could 00:53:09 be considered to be 00:53:10 a high exposure event depending on what you do I mean if you go to an outdoor coat 00:53:15 as well you're saying 6 feet away from others that's not 00:53:17 a high exposure event but let's say that you went to 00:53:20 a protest where you work corralled into 00:53:22 a small space for hours then you were put into 00:53:25 a police van and then spent 2 hours in incarceration for 2 days and it was recently 00:53:29 that the high exposure events you should be tested in that case someone associated 00:53:33 with the w.h.o. 00:53:35 Has recently said that if you are asymptomatic who don't show any signs of 00:53:39 coronavirus that you are not infectious and that was that was something I thought 00:53:45 new for me I had heard that so can you clarify if you have no fever no symptoms is 00:53:52 a possibly of chronic virus number one and number 2 are you still infectious. Yes 00:53:58 to both so I I'm still trying to get 00:54:01 a grip of what exactly what exactly was said and what was meant by this I think 00:54:07 that there is 00:54:08 a terminology issue that's important to distinguish and I think may have caused 00:54:12 some of the confusion with that w.h.o. 00:54:13 Statement there's 00:54:15 a difference between asymptomatic and present about it we know so talk about 00:54:20 precept about it we know that before somebody exhibit symptoms of coping 19 that 00:54:26 those 2 or 3 days before could actually be the period of time where they are the 00:54:30 most infectious and so somebody could certainly be exhibiting no symptoms right now 00:54:36 they could exhibit symptoms of 2 to 3 days but of course that they aren't and know 00:54:39 that no one can predict right in 2 or 3 days on that they're going to get sick that 00:54:44 period of time they could be highly contagious and that's what we're concerned 00:54:49 about that people will develop from the later I think what the w.h.o. 00:54:53 Scientist was referring to is that somebody has no symptoms one never develop 00:54:57 symptoms maybe that person is not likely to infect others but the question is how 00:55:02 would you know at that point when you're not exhibiting symptoms whether you're 00:55:06 going to be developing substance or not without that life but as we were referring 00:55:10 to and so I think it's still critical that we all treat each other as and ourselves 00:55:16 as if we could have coronavirus because we know that people could certainly pass on 00:55:22 the disease if they're not currently exhibiting any Sometimes at all. It's it 00:55:27 appears when you look at the demographics of people infected here in the United 00:55:30 States that it is particularly hit hard certain communities racial disparities are 00:55:35 poorer neighbors is is there any give a server 00:55:39 a function on that. Yes So cover 19 has unmasked many of the 00:55:46 disparities and in equities that have long been present in our society frankly we 00:55:52 know that Komen 900 strikes those the hardest to have underlying medical conditions 00:55:56 while underlying medical conditions African Americans Latinos Americans they have 00:56:02 disproportionate burden of chronic medical illnesses like diabetes hypertension and 00:56:08 cardiovascular disease and so forth in addition it's people who live in who live in 00:56:14 minority communities where part of minority communities under served communities 00:56:18 who also are essential workers who may also be living in crowded conditions and 00:56:23 don't have the privilege of doing as little distance they may depend on public 00:56:27 transportation and at higher exposures that way as well and sold the solutions that 00:56:32 we must implement must target these longer term systemic in equities while at the 00:56:36 same time also addressing the human resources or targeting the resources to areas 00:56:43 that are the hardest I read that there's something like 70 of the different. 00:56:48 Vaccines people are chasing around the world and this is 00:56:50 a global enterprise trying to find of actually. Any sort of thought on whether 00:56:56 we'll have one by the end of the year I mean that would be extremely optimistic it 00:57:02 would set a world record and that the vaccines today the fast is out of x. 00:57:08 And has been developed we're looking at 5 to 6 years so anything under 00:57:11 a year or in that and that kind of timeframe would be extremely optimistic I hope 00:57:17 that we can get there but I also don't want us to sacrifice safety already there is 00:57:22 the anti Baxter movement the last thing that I would want to do is to give them 00:57:27 fuel and say well this is 00:57:28 a vaccine that isn't safe it was rushed and I think we we need to balance our need 00:57:34 to have 00:57:35 a vaccine with testing it properly so that we do prove that it's safe and effective 00:57:41 What about 00:57:41 a bridge vaccine that there's some I think was tuberculosis or even polio 00:57:46 a sort of 00:57:46 a bridge vaccine in the short run that they're looking at that until we can get 00:57:49 a more perfect vaccine for the corona virus anything to indicate that that's 00:57:54 a possibility. You know it's 00:57:56 a good point that probably the 1st back suggested to come from the markets is not 00:58:01 going to be the best one as in look at you get 00:58:04 a flu vaccine the flu vaccine is 40 to 60 percent effective every season there are 00:58:10 other vaccines that have to be given as booster doses them bolts were doses of it 00:58:14 and you have to keep on getting it it's very possible that the initial vaccine 00:58:18 that's developed is not 100 percent effective or even anywhere close to it that we 00:58:22 have something that is partially effective or that requires multiple doses to be 00:58:27 fully effective and in the meantime there is 00:58:30 a more effective vaccine that also be developed to do so I think that's why I'm 00:58:33 glad that there are so many different dozens of ended it that are in the pipeline. 00:59:09 My thanks to our guests and thanks to all of you for watching this episode on the 00:59:12 plug then we will continue to follow the protests and the pandemic and for the 00:59:17 latest updates on these stories and more please visit our website at Delia News dot 00:59:21 com And don't forget to follow me on Twitter that Grettir thanks for being plugged 00:59:27 in we hope to see you again next week. 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